On the fourth day of the Meeting on ‘Amoris laetitia’, theologian Julie Hanlon Rubio called for a reinvigoration of a “vision of marriage as intimate partnership oriented to love and justice that does not require perfection”; while Filipino Cardinal Pablo Virgilio Siongco David said the Church must “not simply to ask how close families are to the ideal, but also how close the Church is willing to come to families in their actual struggles”.